northbankboy68 12:21 Thu Dec 9
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...on track to destroy the Tory Party and ruin the UK
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Mike Oxsaw
1:47 Wed Dec 22
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I also suspect that Princess Nut-Nut has finally realised that climate change is now also a busted flush, so needs to jump ship before that thought gains traction amongst the public/media.
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Mike Oxsaw
1:43 Wed Dec 22
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Had Corbyn also ran on a "Get Brexit Done" ticket, Labour would probably have walked the Brexit Election - the same strategy wouldn't have harmed the Greens, LibDems or Monster Raving Loony Party, either.
Whether they would have relished/been able to call the shots once Covid arrived is debatable - but people were simply pissed off at Brexit being used as a political points-scoring punchbag and wanted closure either way - which we (WE) got - no empty shelves though, so not all positive.
It looks like Johnson wants out but can't admit so publicly; that's either because he's finally realized he's way out of his depth or knows that the mother of all Covid shitshows is riding into town.
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Russ of the BML
12:16 Wed Dec 22
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Side of Ham 12:11 Wed Dec 22
I think Brexit was a big part of people's frustrations on that point. All people wanted was, for once, the main parties to work together to get things sorted. They did to some extent. You heard about cross party meetings etc.
But bottom line was that they couldn't help firing shots and point scoring. And whilst that may have been the done thing years ago, people are now just sick and tired of it.
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only1billybonds
12:12 Wed Dec 22
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Morning Fo.
I may be wrong but i think there's an element of 'anyone but Trump' syndrome in both Scotland and Wales. Iv'e spent a lot of time in Scotland (Mums family from Glasgows East End) and there is still a vibrant anti English feeling up there. Part of wee Krankies appeal to her compatriots is that she is an excellent Boris/Tory/English basher. Being half Scottish, I have no grudge against them but part of me wanrts them to get their independance, as long as they no longer recieve a penny from Westminster
Think much the same applies to he Welsh though they do seem to shy away from wanting to go it alone. Probably a case of knowing where there bread is buttered .
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Russ of the BML
12:11 Wed Dec 22
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Fo the Communist 11:09 Wed Dec 22
All very fair points.
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Side of Ham
12:11 Wed Dec 22
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Yep, and the Red vs Blue party politics scam is their cover…..always sidelining solving the real issues by petty squabbling and point scoring.
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BRANDED
12:00 Wed Dec 22
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Both Labour and Tory have voted pretty much the same things in the parliament. They are both in the pocket of the big money and corporations and neither represent normal people.
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RM10
11:59 Wed Dec 22
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Wales and Scotland are two faced, if an Englishman forced the new regs they would be up in arms, they just want the money from Westminster to compensate
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Fo the Communist
11:44 Wed Dec 22
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Morning Billy
I think Boris was flying in the early stages of the pandemic. The problem is that things has slowly but surely unravelled for him, largely due to his own incompetence, as his deficiencies have been laid bare.
We are seeing that - like them or not - Drakeford in Wales an Sturgeon in Scotland - are still enjoying electoral popularity. History tells us that during a crisis (not no much after) incumbent leaders will be popular as opposition in such circumstances is seen as unpatriotic.
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only1billybonds
11:32 Wed Dec 22
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Couple of points.
I said a month in to the pandemic that the big political winners of that time were every party that lost out in their country's most recent electio s (at that time).
Simon Evans summed up Labour perfectly for me in an interview on the 'Trigonometry' podcast. Its about time that the Labour admitted they no longer represent the people that it was set up for, they are more interested in the lberal (haha) middle class and until they realise and take ownership of this they will get nowhere. Their best way forward would be to form a coalition with the Greens.
Cant see to much wrong with what he says.
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ray winstone
11:30 Wed Dec 22
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Trundle, is that the best you can do? You keyboarded warrior skills are on the wane old chap, you might want to get off Facebook and Twitter and start going to the library to educate yourself, if the Tories haven't closed it down....
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Lee Trundle
11:20 Wed Dec 22
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"we've ended up with the the worst possible candidate"
And yet he still walloped your mob, ray.
WOUNDER
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ray winstone
11:17 Wed Dec 22
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Things would be better if we had a decent PM, unfortunately, due to persistent in-fighting, for the past god knows how many years within the Tory party, we've ended up with the the worst possible candidate, maybe things will be better when the cunt finally falls on his sword.....
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Fo the Communist
11:09 Wed Dec 22
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Russ.
Of course its easy for any opposition to shout from the sidelines but that's the nature of the parliamentary system we have in this country. That's what the country voted for in 2016. Long may it remain too.
The fact is also that despite the rhetoric, Labour has, at the end of the day, voted with Government all the way. As I say, they argue around the margins and they point score when they can but have supported Johnson's restrictions when push comes to shove. The 'playing politics' argument is undermined by that demonstrable fact.
I don't envy the Tories having to sort this one out. It's a tricky fucker for sure: they are between the classic a rock and a hard place but, Government (or at least good Government) is about leadership and taking difficult decisions. That's partly why Johnson is, predictably, falling woefully short as a credible leader.
As for your last point, I can only agree that Labour needs to get on top of the woke issue (so does Government for that matter) if it wants to gain supporters in the numbers it needs, That said, as we are seeing in the Tory party now, reconciling differing entrenched viewpoints in any large political organisation is not easy.
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Russ of the BML
10:39 Wed Dec 22
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Fo the Communist 4:39 Tue Dec 21
Labour calling for tougher restrictions. Well, that's easy isn't it. Because they aren't the party that has to deal with the economic fall out of tougher restrictions. Or the public unrest. Or the arse falling out of the retail and hospitality industry. Or manufacturing sector that has nobody at work.
And this is the same Labour calling for tougher restrictions that then in the same breath tell the government they should be doing more financially for the hospitality sector.
I mean, come on, it's all so easy to sit on the field the other side of the fence and shout out your critique when, in reality, Labour know deep down they wouldn't want to be in charge during this period.
I do agree with your last paragraph. Yes, it was selected moments. But it all left a very bitter taste in my mouth. Especially the Labour party chairman telling white men to stop asking questions. Labour are a political party so entwined and falling over themselves in woke gender politics I do worry that they wouldn't have time to run the country.
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Fo the Communist
4:39 Tue Dec 21
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Russ of the BML 2:21 Tue Dec 21
Believe it or not mate, I am increasingly less partisan these days (don't be fooled by my user name).
While Labour does indeed get the benefit of hindsight, it has - as others have said - consistently called for tougher more immediate restrictions. You may not agree with the position but it is plan wrong to suggest everything they have done is in retrospect. Five minutes on Google will prove that.
And Johnson coming up with 'Captain Hindsight' is just typical of his pantomime diversionary tactics. A soundbite he hopes will stick irrespective of its merit.
There were indeed some selected horrific Labour conference moments edited onto social media. There were also plenty of Tory / Lib Dem equivalents. All part of the
descent of modern politics into binary representations all carefully designed to be lapped up by the already converted on their IPhones. In all honesty, you will get greater and more insight and discourse on this forum (certain notable posters apart) than you will on the Twittersphere.
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twoleftfeet
2:50 Tue Dec 21
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The Labour Party who, in the main, want longer, tighter lockdowns.
The same Labour Party who backed this pathetic government.
Both parties are fucking dreadful.
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goose
2:26 Tue Dec 21
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If the people at football & darts are turning against BoJo then he’s toast (eventually).
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Russ of the BML
2:21 Tue Dec 21
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Fo the Communist 1:04 Fri Dec 10
Sorry mate. That's just bullshit. Starmer was nicknamed Captain Hindsight by the Tories and the media for his amazing suggestions after the events.
But I understand why you say that as you want to paint Labour as the better option.
Believe me, I am open to vote for the party that I feel will do the best job for what is needed at the right time. I do not do politics like football. I don't have a team. But, fuck me, I watched some of the Labour conference and, being brutally honest, it scared the fuck out of me.
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